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hologenicman
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USA
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Posted - Jan 02 2009 :  02:06:05  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
We are starting a robot project in our household to build two androids - Andy and Annie.

Of course, they will start out as a single prototyping robot with a wheeled transport, but we will be working toward building to a set of walking Humanoids (androids).

I will be posting pictures, information, and tid-bits here as we progress.

John L>
IA|AI

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.

Edited by - hologenicman on Jan 25 2009 23:32:50

mikmoth
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USA
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Posted - Jan 02 2009 :  06:12:18  Show Profile  Visit mikmoth's Homepage
Hey John, I'm so glad someone is working on a project around here. Sometimes i feel very lonesome.

So what materials are you planning on using? I tried silicon and well... its easy to make mistakes, lets put it that way.

I know that Steve (from creatures) is going fiber glass. Sounds like he's not going "super-realistic".

I was thinking of trying a plush maybe like a teddy bear with a metal endoskeleton ... or wood maybe, or foam (its easy to sculpt).

Anyways... have fun!

 http://lhandslide.com
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hologenicman
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USA
3324 Posts

Posted - Jan 02 2009 :  06:18:09  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
Some basic ingredients so far:




John L>
IA|AI

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.

Edited by - hologenicman on Jan 02 2009 06:44:46
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hologenicman
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USA
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Posted - Jan 02 2009 :  06:21:40  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
I am going to be using air muscles for all movement:

http://shadowrobot.com/

There is a great article on how to build them your selfe here:

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-air-muscles!/

John L>
IA|AI

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.
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hologenicman
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USA
3324 Posts

Posted - Jan 02 2009 :  06:29:50  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
Here is the air valve made in itally that will drrive the eight air muscles needed per long-bone articulation:

http://www.matrix.to.it/matrix_2005/business3.asp?id=14&id2=2&id_barea2=46

The project order is:
1) cart with wheels, batteries, inverters and charger.
2) add air compressor.
3) add pc.
4) build neck
5) add ballance.
6) add eyes and ears.
7) shoulders.
8) arms.
9) torso/abdomen.
10) motorize cart wheels under robot control.

11) build legs and get it walking with support items such as batteries and compressor still on cart and connected via umbilical.

12) teach it to do the dishes and the laundry so my wife will let me work on it some more...

John L>
IA|AI


HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.
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hologenicman
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USA
3324 Posts

Posted - Jan 02 2009 :  06:31:36  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
As for exterior apearances, I will be working on the functionallity first but keeping an eye on future needs to make it asthetic.

Mikmoth, I'll try to post some pictures of what we have so far soon.

John L>
IA|AI

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.

Edited by - hologenicman on Jan 02 2009 06:32:51
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hologenicman
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USA
3324 Posts

Posted - Jan 02 2009 :  09:05:06  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
Project photos:

John L>
IA|AI








HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.

Edited by - hologenicman on Jan 26 2011 22:14:30
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hologenicman
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USA
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Posted - Jan 02 2009 :  09:14:47  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
There will be two 115 AmpHour deep cycle batteries mounted low on the sides for power and a low center of gravity for the protype platform as soon as I can afford to buy them from Costco...

What I am having a hard time finding at anything resembling affordable is a true sine wave inverter/charger big enough to run the computer and the compressor both.

I am considering getting a smaller true sine inverter dedicated to running the pc and getting a larger(but less expensive) modified sine-wave inverter/charger for powering the compressor and maintaining the two deep cycle batteries.

I'd rather not have to get a separate charger for the batteries unless I really have to.

John L>
IA|AI

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.
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vrossi
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Italy
1456 Posts

Posted - Jan 02 2009 :  09:30:05  Show Profile  Visit vrossi's Homepage
Great project, John.

quote:
teach it to do the dishes and the laundry so my wife will let me work on it some more...


I understand this is your final goal:



My little Tarkus is nothing, compared to yours robots (it's the one with wheels; the one with legs and tail has much more advanced sensors, actuators and AI):


Vittorio
virtualhumansforum.com
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Freddy
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United Kingdom
257 Posts

Posted - Jan 02 2009 :  14:53:12  Show Profile  Visit Freddy's Homepage
Nice project - looking forward to learning of your progress. Now you made me want a new year project! Oh and while on that subject; Happy New Year to everyone here.

www.aidreams.co.uk
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hologenicman
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USA
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Posted - Jan 02 2009 :  18:03:49  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
Yes, Happy New Year to Everyone!

Vittorio,

That's a pretty realistic CatBot you have there.

I really like the way you have your sonar mounted on a servo for directional readings. We've discussed doing something like that on our First Tech Challenge robot, but it never materialized.

I should post a couple of photos of the Lego mindstorms robots that the kids have made and mabye one of the First Tech Challenge robot that our local robotics group has made...

The driving force behind the size and scope of Andy/Annie is a combination of factors:

1) Power consumption requires two full-sized deep cycle batteries, inverters, and chargers.
2) Air compressor for pneumatic air muscles and such.
3) Full sized AT/ATX PC on board to run HologenicBrain Software.
4) Building full-sized android super structure atop this protyping platform.
5) Later, it will be used as a support device(Air, Electricity, Computer, etc.) once the android is able to stand and walk.

I'm excited about this project. I've been gathering materials for it over time, and it is fun to finally get started on it.

John L>
IA|AI

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.
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hologenicman
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USA
3324 Posts

Posted - Jan 02 2009 :  18:33:29  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
Vittorio,

You should check out these guys:

http://www.matrix.to.it/matrix_2005/business3.asp?id=14&id2=2&id_barea2=46


They are based in Italy and make an amazing product! They have a pneumatic valve that is fast enough to be used with 300Hz PWM(pulse Width Modulation) servo controller boards for controlling pneumatics with the same acuracy as servos. Not only that, they put up to 8 (or 9) valves on a single modular valve unit for ease of maintainance and reportedly affordabillity. I haven't seen the price yet...

John L>
IA|AI

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.
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hologenicman
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USA
3324 Posts

Posted - Jan 02 2009 :  18:40:44  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
I've been looking into reversible pneumatic motors, but I can't seem to find them in the price range that I would be willing to pay.

I figure that a couple of reversible pneumatic motors and a pair of 5/2 PWM controlled air valves, and we will have the drive system in place.

I would like to use the pneumatic motors instead of DC motors for the drive wheels on the cart, but that may not be affordable. On the other hand, DC motors strong enough to push the cart around ar not that cheap either.

John L>
IA|AI

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.

Edited by - hologenicman on Jan 02 2009 18:46:51
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hologenicman
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USA
3324 Posts

Posted - Jan 03 2009 :  03:47:44  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
Ah ha!

I've found a way of rationalizing the purchase of two deep cycle batteries and an inverter/charger...

The power goes out around these parts in the winter so we could use the battery/inverter set-up to run our pellet stove for heat should the power go out this winter.

We've been wanting to get that set-up to ballance out our generator anyway...

How's that for a sales pitch.

The problem is that all the Costco batteries have been bought out once the first big winter storm of the season hit and people had their car batteries die from the cold.

John L>
IA|AI

Wow! Kool.

They just called us back from the automotive department of Costco, and they found two of the batteries that we need hidden in the back and they are holding them for us.

Now I just need to find an inverter...


HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.

Edited by - hologenicman on Jan 03 2009 03:55:33
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hologenicman
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USA
3324 Posts

Posted - Jan 04 2009 :  08:51:18  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
Here is some more progress...

I have attached a vertical, wireframe cage for having access to relays, switches, valves, etc:



I now have my two Deep cycle batteries as well as I found two battery boxes for containing them. These two batteries are HEEEAAAVVVYY!!! Right now the battery tray is sitting on the floor with them in it, but I will be putting some serious steal bars beneath the wire battery tray to hold it up and reinforce it:


The pneumatic wheels are from a cart rated for a thousand pounds, and the caster wheels are from a shelf unit rated for a thousand pounds so I am not too concerned about exceeding their weight capacities...

John L>
IA|AI

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.

Edited by - hologenicman on Jan 26 2011 22:15:52
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hologenicman
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USA
3324 Posts

Posted - Jan 05 2009 :  01:02:23  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage

Found the equipment that I want for power supply.

-Iota 55amp 12volt smart charger
-AIMS automatic transfer switch
-AIMS 2000 watt Pure Sine inverter

This will get the job done.

I was getting ready to bid on the Iota 55 amp smart charger on eBay when I realized that is was a clearance item WITHOUT the two year factory warrantee. So that is on hold. I'd rather pay the extra and have electronics under warrantee.

John L>
IA|AI

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.
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