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hologenicman
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Posted - Jan 01 2011 :  11:24:09  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
I'm sorry that I annoy you. Why do you need to know the date of my publication...?

John L>
IA|AI

PS It's late here too.

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.
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mendicott
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Posted - Jan 02 2011 :  18:29:35  Show Profile  Visit mendicott's Homepage
I have just moved nearly 200x PDF research papers off Scribd.com into Mendeley.com, which creates BibTeX machine readable bibliography citations .. You can now see my public BibTeX at http://citeulike.org/user/mendicott .. The brilliant thing about Mendeley.com is their iPhone app, so now have all 200x PDFs available on my iTouch ..

I suggest converting your DOC into an ebook for mobile devices => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB ..

No date, no citation ..

- Marcus Endicott
http://twitter.com/mendicott
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hologenicman
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Posted - Jan 03 2011 :  07:21:25  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
Thanks for the feedback.

I'm actually quite fine without the citation. Interested people can search me out and discuss the work here on the forum.

However, the HologenicBrain Doc dates from 2001 to present but contains work that dates back to 1984.

Anyone finding it here on the forum is already interested enough in the subject matter to strike up an interesting conversation.

Later,
John L>
IA|AI

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.
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hologenicman
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Posted - Jan 26 2011 :  20:25:26  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage

I have come across software for handling the preprocessing of neural data for my project. I am currently testing the trial version and asking fro input on their forum.

http://DSPRobotics.com
Flowstone (software for robotics and digital signal processing)

It works with ASIO and OpenCV as well as X10.

John L>
IA|AI

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.
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mikmoth
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Posted - Jan 27 2011 :  16:28:16  Show Profile  Visit mikmoth's Homepage
Looks like a powerful piece of software.

Haven't used it... in fact I know very little about it from what I could gleam off the website, but you might also want to consider Phidgets.

http://www.phidgets.com/

Their API is free and they have a lot more hardware available to interface with. Plus since you are controlling the hardware through a very lite api you know exactly what your software is doing.

I love Phidgets. My doll/robot uses it for her eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm9AN1PNQFM

Good luck... let us know how Flowstone works out.

http://lhandslide.com
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hologenicman
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Posted - Jan 27 2011 :  18:35:38  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage

Yeah, the FlowStone is pretty powerful for signal processing from the bit that I've played with it.

BTW, FlowStone is set up to work with most of the Phidgets line of boards already. Just drag, drop,and configure...

I will check out the Phidgets API though. Even if I don't go with the FlowStone I will be using Phidgets boards of some sort.

John L>
IA|AI

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.
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hologenicman
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Posted - Jan 30 2011 :  05:48:56  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage

I already knew that my neural input to the HologenicBrain matrix was represented graphically for each of the interface planes, but it just dawned on me that I could have complete neural communication from one pc to another by merely using streaming video.

The video can be cut into blocks to represent the various comunication planes, and then the graphic imprint for that frame of neural data could just be shown on that block of the video.

This will allow for both input and output of neural data for the HologenicBrain.

The compression codecs and such for video are already in place so that I don't have to re-invent the wheel.

John L>
IA|AI

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.
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HologenicKid
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USA
31 Posts

Posted - Apr 19 2012 :  20:12:46  Show Profile
The idea is tempting, but how would one pc know for sure what the other means? It seams like it would be represnt of language, set inputs that mean certian things. But the problem is that even with a language, humans can say one thing and be interperted as something completly different.

And another thing that poped into my head while I got caught up is: How many little hair cells that sence vibrations are there? One for every frequency in the human hearing range? About 19,980. And each could be measured in every way needed with a single byte, on and off. And the example that the sound source moves across the room quickly will be dealt with by the addition of another ear seperated by the head.Exp.


Left ear = L
Right ear = R
Time between each wave = .

Directly in front

R...R...R...R...R...R...R...R...R...R...R... ect.
L...L...L...L...L...L...L...L...L...L...L... ect.

moves right
> >
R...R...R...R...R...R..R..R..R..R..R.R.R.R.R.R.R ect.
L...L...L...L...L...L....L....L....L.....L.....L.....L.....L ect.

moves left

R...R...R...R...R...R....R....R....R.....R.....R.....R.....R ect.
L...L...L...L...L...L..L..L..L..L..L.L.L.L.L.L.L ect.


This could then be preprossesed by sending a message to the brain when the information changes.To signal the start it would be;

F 1,234 R(--) L(--)

If the frequency 1,234 changes to speed up on the left side and down on the right, the message would be;

F 1,234 R\/(--) L/\(--)

the space with (--) is filled with the amount of change;

F 1,234 R\/(01) L/\(01)

This means the source of frequency 1,234 has moved to the left very slowly. And

F 1,234 R/\(01) L\/(01)

means that it has stopped or reversed.

Just a bit of random thinking at 6:00 AM

HologenicMan's Son
"Smile. It makes everyone wonder what your up to"
-unknown

Edited by - HologenicKid on Sep 02 2012 06:56:52
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hologenicman
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Posted - Aug 30 2012 :  22:27:48  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
quote:
The idea is tempting, but how would one pc know for sure what the other means? It seams like it would be represnt of language, set inputs that mean certian things. But the problem is that even with a language, humans can say one thing and be interperted as something completly different.



The external environment is intperpreted and represented entirely different within each and every brain(hologenic or otherwise). There is a personalized storage of data.

The video feed for connectivity is intended for spreading a single hologenic brain over several different pc's(hardware) while maintaining a single functioning hologenic brain that is distributed physically over those pc's. The separate pc's don't need to understand any language between each other since the video feed is just the means of communicating the neded shared information which is personal to the hologenic brain as a whole.

John L>

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.

Edited by - hologenicman on Aug 30 2012 22:29:00
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hologenicman
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Posted - Aug 30 2012 :  22:39:35  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
quote:
Left ear = L
Right ear = R
Time between each wave = .

Directly in front

R...R...R...R...R...R...R...R...R...R...R... ect.
L...L...L...L...L...L...L...L...L...L...L... ect.

moves right
> >
R...R...R...R...R...R..R..R..R..R..R.R.R.R.R.R.R ect.
L...L...L...L...L...L....L....L....L.....L.....L.....L.....L ect.

moves left

R...R...R...R...R...R....R....R....R.....R.....R.....R.....R ect.
L...L...L...L...L...L..L..L..L..L..L.L.L.L.L.L.L ect.


This could then be preprossesed by sending a message to the brain when the information changes.To signal the start it would be;

F 1,234 R(--) L(--)



Interesting...

There is actually something like this in the biological hardwiring of the retina in the eye. Groups of neurons act together with thresholds to accumulate signal before they trigger. one such group will only trigger if an object is moving from left to right at a minimum speed. Another group will act together only when the object moves from right to left. In this manner, the eye "Pre-processes" the information and is able to send pertinent information to the brain with fewer neurons.

Remember that with the available hardware and technology, there are a lot of cheats that can be used to present neural data to the hologenic brain.

An audio signal can be broken down with fourrier transform into a graphical representation that can be fed to the hologenic brain as graphical neural data.

A video feed can be recreated multiple times with various details and information extracted and then each of those separate feeds can be simltaneously fed into the hologenic matrix.(red, blue, green, greyscale, line-detail, motion-trails, brightness, etc.)

John L>

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.
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HologenicKid
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USA
31 Posts

Posted - Sep 02 2012 :  07:05:30  Show Profile
When programing, is there very much differince in useing every frequency versus groups of 5 or 10? And will that affect the understanding of what it heard and reproduces? Or would it be better with every one of them or every two.

HologenicMan's Son
"Smile. It makes everyone wonder what your up to"
-unknown
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hologenicman
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Posted - Sep 03 2012 :  05:53:36  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
It basically boils down to the fact that everything is a compromise in some way or another. Nature tends to find the best compromise for survivabillity and those without the best ballance tend to die off. That's kinda how the genetic programming that Mikmoth was mentioning works.

The more individual frequencies that you report input from, the better and finer the resolution is, however, this requires more processing power and more resounces. In a reduced resource situation or survival mode, this high use of resources can be detrimental to the best operation of the unit...

Sometimes, it is best to have a more gross(less fine tuned) reporting of neural data for a quicker and more base understanding of the environment.

There are examples of having both fine and gross neural input selectively available in the human body as well. The human eye has super high color detail in the center of the retina for daytime use, however, when night adaptation takes over for night time survivabillity, the higer concentrations of black and white low light receptors are concentrated in the perifery of the retina where one can detect attacking animals coming from the edges of our vision...

The decisions of how to design these resolutions may come from trial and error, but we can start out by studying the human body and it's function as a pretty good starting point...

John L>

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.
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HologenicKid
Curious Member



USA
31 Posts

Posted - Sep 03 2012 :  19:00:13  Show Profile
Maybe the AI should have acess to the higher resoulution freaquencys, but (like in humans)operates in the lower level of acuteness for standby. This could be used for focusing on a person when they speak, or trying to find some one in a room of voices. It could be used for every function we use, muscles, eyes, brain power, and anything you have.

And to program this would be relitvly simple, the output would include a signal that tells the "organ" that th AI needs more data;

eye-----------(+5/9 rez m)

the dashes are the normal output, and in the () is the sub-command. +: raise, 5/9: the importance, rez: the resoulution, m: the middle or detail part of the eye. this is only for the eye, the middle and the edge.

would this be less to program than always have all the rez or would the preprograming cansle-out the gain?

HologenicMan's Son
"Smile. It makes everyone wonder what your up to"
-unknown
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hologenicman
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Posted - Sep 03 2012 :  19:58:43  Show Profile  Visit hologenicman's Homepage
Hmmm,

So that would be equivalent to when we are looking and something gets our attention and our brains then instruct the eye to focus better on that structure...

I intend to have the organs/robotics all give full detail to the hologenic brain and have the brain choose what information resolution to process that information. The example of a room full of sound; the brain picks out the relevant voices.

However, following your post (and the functioning of the human body), output from the brain should be used to direct the robotics/organ to physically adjust for better tunning of the sensory input. The example of focussing the eye or moving the eye to aim it at the subject of interest...

In an animal example, the brain could give output to the motor control of the ears to turn or adjust the ears to point in the direction of the incoming sound of interest...

As an aside, there is a lot of automatic adjusting done without the input of the brain. This adjusting and movement is mostly for the purposes of "tracking". The eye is continually self adjusting its position to keep the eye centered on the subject matter without having to trouble the brain with such details. However, having the output from the brain take overriding control of such adjustments when needed for the practicallity of focus and better control of the input is a very natural behavior that truly needs to be emulated.

John L>

HologenicMan
John A. Latimer
http://www.UniversalHologenics.com

"If the Human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't..."
-Emerson M Pugh-

Current project:http://www.vrconsulting.it/vhf/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=816&whichpage=1

DISCOVERY: The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.
GOAL: There's strength in simplicity.
NOTE: Goal not always achieved.

Edited by - hologenicman on Sep 03 2012 20:01:45
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art
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Posted - Sep 04 2012 :  17:26:20  Show Profile
Hi John,

Been some time... I have been following through these parts as time allows.
You know, Mendicott was correct regarding the following:
It is a good work, John and you really should include a date. Just MHO. Be well! - Art -

The copyright symbol (the letter C in a circle), or the word "Copyright," or the abbreviation "Copr."

The year of first publication of the work. In the case of compilations or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the year date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with accompanying textual matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or any useful article.

The name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner.

Example: copyright 2002 John Doe
The or "C in a circle" notice or symbol is used only on visually perceptible copies.

- Art -
In the world of AI it's the thought that counts!
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